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Hey there, this is James Carberry, founder of sweet fish media and one
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of the cohosts of this show.
For the last year and a half I've
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been working on my very first book. In the book I share the three
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part framework we've used as the foundation
for our growth. Here is sweetfish.
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Now there are lots of companies that
everised a bunch of money and have grown
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insanely fast, and we featured a
lot of them here on the show.
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We've decided to bootstrap our business,
which usually equates to pretty slow growth,
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but using the strategy outlined in the
book, we are on pace to be
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one of inks fastest growing companies in
two thousand and twenty. The book is
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called content based networking, how to
instantly connect with anyone you want to know.
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If you're a fan of audio books
like me, you can find the
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book on audible or if you like
physical books, you can also find it
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on Amazon. Just search content based
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in audible or Amazon and it should
pop right up. All right, let's
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get into the show. Hey,
everybody, Logan with sweetfish here, as
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we've been doing all throughout January,
we continue our countdown of the top twenty
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episodes of two thousand and nineteen today
with number four, which is the first
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in a two part series we did
with Lauren Vacarollo on starting your very first
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for the Hashtag Best of two thousand
and nineteen in the categories on the right
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hand side of that page. Welcome
back to the BB grows show. I'm
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your host for today's episode, Logan
Lyles, director of partnerships here at sweet
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fish media. I'm joint today by
Lauren Bacarello. She is the former VP
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of marketing and customer engagement at box. She is also the cohost of the
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marketing trends podcast. Lauren, how
you do it today? You're really well.
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Thank you for having me. I'm
so excited to do it. Hey,
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I am just as excited, probably
more so. I love talking to
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marketers with interesting journeys, a lot
of experience and people who are also passionate
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about podcasting and and we've got the
trieffect at in you today. So thank
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you so much for coming on the
show. Absolutely I am getting on in
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me. Able to Gig out on
marketing with another sort of a ficionado is
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one of my favorite things to do. So to be a lot of fun,
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Ha Awesome. Well, Lauren,
we're going to be talking about we're
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going to get beyond a little bit
the why of ABM. A lot of
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folks have been talking about the why
of ABM. We've done series as we
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were on site at flip my funnel
last year, obviously a big conference in
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the ABM space. I'm really excited
to have you share some tactics with folks
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in some abm efforts that you have
led and speak to the how a little
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bit. But before we do that
we have to give people a little bit
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of background on your story because it
involves marketing for record label in Brooklyn,
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kind of one of your first stops, and in marketing in a roundabout way,
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and then some some time at sales
for so I would love for you
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to share with folks a little bit
of your winding road because I think it
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speaks a lot to you know the
perspective that you have these days. Totally.
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I am. Do you click background? So I said lawn back far
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aloh. I've been in marketing for
about fifteen years and what I feel like
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everyone knows me for out here in
the day areas you know, I've been
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marketing in tech for eleven years.
I used to run digital a sales course,
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but my background is a non traditional
and non traditional path to get here.
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Like you mentioned, I so my
first job in marketing I did marketing
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at a punkraft record label in Brooklyn
and it was honestly one of the most
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sponge jobs I ever had and I
always thought I wanted to work in music
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and I love the band. So
I went and took the subway into Brooklyn,
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way before Brooklyn was it is now, the actual warehouses, and got
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to do everything from meeting bands to
designing album covers. I'm not a designer,
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which is I apologize for anyone who's
album cover I worked on and ended
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up going from there. I actually
worked at on online marketing for an online
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trading company shortly after that and to
go from a punk labeled to in Brooklyn
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to working on Wall Street. I'm
running, eventually running online marketing for online
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trading company, and this was,
I guess, her some background. People
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now take classes and go to school
to be digital marketers and it is a
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it is a really good job path. It is the future of marketing,
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for has been the future for a
while. When I started in digital it
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was long before digital was socially acceptable. So I was working at this off
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exchange trading company on Wall Street doing
digital marketing, which is not a socially
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acceptable career path, but who knew
it was turned out to where it is.
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And at the time everything we were
doing was online. I was doing
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everything from setting up this webinar program
because who knew what webinars were, to
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figuring out how to try and online
and offline, because we had sales people
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that were calling these and we were
running Google ad words campaign and I had
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this theory that the different keywords that
we've been on, even though they all
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created leads, not all leads were
the same, because I sat next to
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the sellers and I've been a feller, so I knew the quality was different.
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So I figured out how to connect
sales forth in Google ad words through
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this amazing tall tool club Keadon,
which became sales forth for Google ad words.
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After sales worth acquired it and then
the founder of he didn't ended up
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being my boss. That fails forth, you know, eight years later,
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which I saw our seven years later, which was amazing weird coincidence, because
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that really is what started the trajector
of my career and figuring out how not
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just to drive me to how to
drive better quality. Ended up starting my
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own company, moving to California,
starting my own company, financial vertical,
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in two thousand and eight. And
for anyone old enough to remember, she
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said of an eight remembers that that
was the worst time to start a company
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because the global financial crisis happened and
there were no jobs and no money and
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advertising then. So I ended up
a sales forth for about four and a
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half years. And when I started
it sales worth, it wasn't sales forth
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today, which is the deals worth
pour and it's incredible massive company. It
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was, you know, twenty five
hundred people, which is still big.
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My three or people not the category
leader. It was the you know,
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scrappy up income are going after Oracle
and they were wanted to start a digital
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program and I've been doing digital at
that point for a number of years and
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went into start kaid acquisition. Figured
I'd be there for a year. Spent
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four and a half years there and
by the time I left I was running
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all of digital. I was an
amazing, amazing time to be there and
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I got to work on Scaling Dream
Force from, you know, Tenzero,
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Twentyzero people to a hundred thousand people
with incredible talents at events, leaders working
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on every single product line, you
know, driving hundreds of millions of dollars
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in typeline and revenue for sale course, and building some of the most innovative
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programs that they had. My team
brought in social product retargeting, any sort
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of new innovative digital tactic my team
probably worked on and brought into sale course,
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which is awesome. And then,
and I definitely got to start a
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sug and it's been with me ever
since. And Ran Marketing Forever Rol,
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which is the targeting company, and
did that wrote a book with them.
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The running joke with my best friend
and any time her daughter has trouble sleeping
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she takes one of the books I've
written and just sit down with a daughter
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and she's they're they're great tugs.
There's just, you know, very exciting
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business book. Yeah, who was
that add roll and now, most recently
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I was running to give marking and
talks and then I started their customer engagement
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program. There's so much of my
career has been focused on how do you
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drive net new how do you drive
exhibition? How do you tell really compelling
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stories to grow a brand? And
then with customer engagement, it was okay,
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great come of the customer. What
do you do with it? How
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do you drive product adoption? How
do you drive high values? is so
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they become advocate, so they expand
or they up spell. So honestly,
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a big thing for for my career
really has been okay, this is great,
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but what else is there? How
can we try and do something different?
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Is there any way of thinking about
this or a new program and that
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really even happened several times at boss
that myself and my team started the account
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with marping program at box and I
unintentionally did ABM at do force. I
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don't think that's what it was called
back then, but we ran a social
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enterprise campaign and we came up with
a target account list and work with sales
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and joined plans and it was a
great, great push and I now I
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think about it and this was probably
six years ago. I had no idea
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at the time it would be the
thing that turned into account based marketing.
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R and when I've gotten to box, box is super interesting. There's over
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eightyzero customers, over sixty five percent
of the post and five hundreds. But
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you know, I know marketers aren't
good at maths, but sixty five percent
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of five hundred is not nearly as
many as over eightyzero customers. So where
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do all these other customers come from? Box tigs is really unique challenge of
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a really robust enterprise business and a
very large volume based business, and I
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came in and said this is,
you know, great, but how are
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we going to both drive volumes and
also drive the enterprise and drive up market?
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Right? That really was one of
the pushes for kicking off and expanding
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our account as marketing program I love
that. Yeah, it sounds like you
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were in involved with a few things
before they were cool. You know,
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you talked earlier about basically lead scoring
before lead scoring was a thing, running
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abm before abm was a thing.
So obviously you've got some some experience,
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even though it came in a non
traditional route that other marketers can learn from.
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You know, I hit the job
market in two thousand and eight with
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a journalism degree, so I can
I wasn't trying to launch a business,
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but I was trying to get a
job in a fast changing contracting industry around
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two thousand and eight. So I
can associate with you with kind of steering
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out into the market thinking what the
heck right now around two thousand and eight,
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so I can associate with that part
of your journey as well. Well,
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all of that being said, Lauren, let's let's talk about ABM and
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where to start, because you know, I think there are a lot of
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marketers who are bought in, but
a lot of folks kind of staring out
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into the void, like you and
I were in two thousand and eight in
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different scenarios, wondering where do I
start? And you had a presentation that
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you did on this about the ABM
program that you launched and led the team
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on at box, and I love
the way you broke it down as a
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starting point in three specific goals.
Can you speak to that and speak to
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getting started with your account based Marketing
Program here? When you're starting with account
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base marketing, honestly, when you're
starting with any program, any initiatives from
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marketing, and I've done this with
averagement that I've worked on. WHO's comings
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like? Give me the presentation in
the page and I'm the person that will
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look at them and stare at them
and go, hang on, I don't
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understand what you're talking about. What
are you trying to accomplish? Tell me
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what your goals are and then help
me your picture presentation, all of the
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things, and I could help help
you understand. Is this going to get
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you here end results? We started
with account based marketing at box and it's
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any time you start something new,
whether it's ABM or you are figuring out
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lead scoring before there are words to
describe lead scored or whatever it is,
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you need to understand what are you
trying to accomplish. They you know if
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it's working or not. To We
said, okay, we've got this new
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thing. We want to try account
base marketerring. What do we wanted to
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do? And we said, well, the first goal is going to be
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provide account intelligent so we have fifty
accounts. If that was an account,
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who are they? What's the profile? How many contacts? What is the
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account intelligence for a buff as that
they have? The second thing we said,
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well, we want to drive awareness
and engagement. So we have these
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accounts in this account its marking program. They want them to know who we
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are, we want them to know
why we're better and we want them to
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be really engaged with us. And
we did this through things like targeted advertising
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or nurture programs or corporate events,
agetting to put to events or sales enaiblement.
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And then, honestly, for anyone
who said a lot of time working
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with with sales, as I have
in many markers, probably have. They
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loved the idea of account intelligence because
it makes spellers butter sellers. They love
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the idea of warming up leads and
driving engagement in such a goal of awareness
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and engagement. But honestly, they
don't hear you until it's that sort that
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final goal, which for us was
how do we help sales land new accounts
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and expand existing account so we have
three goals of provide accounts intelligence, drive
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awareness, an engagement and help bail
land new accounts and expand existing ultimately,
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the one that was most important to
our sales team was the how do we
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help them make more money? Yeah, you get into that third goal and
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you're talking about actually helping them at
appointments and sales enablement and really in the
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trenches with them. They're right exactly, and I mean I'm going to go
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into some of the what we did
is that. But and what the sales
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often doesn't realize is we can really
effectively set appointment for them and help drive
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a really robust you know, the
ICS which were for our executive Innovation Center,
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Executive Briefing Center, depending on where
you are. We can't really help
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drive those deep, deep conversations and
set appointments and get meeting for them if
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we don't first acquire contact, do
all the account profiling, build awareness,
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driving engatement and then that final thing, the real payoff, is how do
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I we used to, we always
call it at Beth. How do I
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give sales as many at that as
possible? I want them in the room
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with as many high quality, warm
prospects as possible. I want them to
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be in the room to go to
meeting, to, you know, sit
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next to each other at a dinner. I want fail to be really trained
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in and able to have deep,
deep conversations with these people, because part
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of my the goal of my team
is how do we drive these at bath.
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How do we get them in the
room? Hey, everybody, logan
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back to the show. Yeah,
so we'll come back to getting buy in
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from sales, but the way that
you put that there, Lauren, makes
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me think about it kind of in
a different way. It's, you know,
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there's the awareness of the accounts externally
and you're warming up those leads,
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but there's also the education you're doing
internally. You're making the sellers better sellers.
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So did you kind of look at
it as a two pronged approach it?
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I mean we have to we have
to market to our clients, but
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we have to turn internally and market
to our sales people and educate our sales
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people. And maybe this feeds right
into how you did get by in from
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sales. Maybe that that is the
road map. I'll let you speak to
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it a little more. It's so
important to get that buy in from sales
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and you talk a little bit about
for the internal enablement and internal spelling.
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The as much as you know,
be a the markers want to think we
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can do things on our own weekend
and the relationships between sales and marketing,
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and I'm sure there's some podcasts everyone
talks about how important the relationship between sales
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and marketing it when you're doing adm. if you don't have complete buy and
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from the sale organization and your sellars
aren't enabled for your program, your program
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will fail. It doesn't matter how
perfect you're targeting is, how perfect your
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picklist is or your target account it. It doesn't matter how perfect everything you
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did is if you don't have buy
and from sales, it fails. Isn't
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properly trained. Know, okay,
it's these accounts, this is what I
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do when I get them. Here's
the right messaging, here's all my enablement
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materials, here's all the bits and
pieces your programs lack. Work out so
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for us and it ties, actually
ties together really well on when we first
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kicked off the program so when we
first kicked off ABM at box, we
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did in a couple of phases.
It's started out, honestly, very ad
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hoc and if you sort of put
everything on paper, and I'll walk you
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through how we started it, there's
so many ways you can say, you
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know, that's not the right way, that's not the right way to and
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this isn't the right way to do
this and Blah, blah, blah.
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You're like, yeah, great,
on paper, there's all these things you
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can do on paper, but part
of it is how do you know the
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culture of your organization and how you
really fell that moment them? So one
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of the things that we did was
starting with the General Prof of concept.
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So we said we want to do
this account its marketing things. It is
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a totally new way to think about
or, at least at box at the
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time, to think about how are
you driving enterprise? How are you driving
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most to the enterprise? And we
would do another tactics before. We still
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do it kind of deal marking,
and I dig feel marking, especially in
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the enterprise, is so effective with
that. But we said we need something
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else and we could have gone through
all of the channels and went top down
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and talk to the head of sales
and got on the mandate and pushed everything
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down like you know what, it's
going to take too long and the people
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on the ground aren't going to buy
in and on place fills as a ton
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of stuff to do and they don't
need us saying, Hey, we have
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this new idea. But what we
ended up doing is we have good relationships
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with some sale people, as every
marketer at every single level should have as
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good relationships with individual sellars. So
we said, okay, let's get a
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couple of sales people that we had
peop relationships with that are high energy,
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highly influential within the sales organization.
There's super engaged, they like us.
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There's and they're also smart, because
they're sitting there going these marketers are saying
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they had something for me that can
help me make more money and they I
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just need to try this thing for
them. As it works, they give
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me extra help and extra support.
I can hit my number faster. Yes,
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I work with these marketers. So
we got one sale. They've payed
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with super engage with that by REP
and we're like great, we are fell
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reepies, we have reps and we
sat down with then and we said,
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okay, we're going to try account
base marketing and what we want to do
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is partner with you on a handful
of accounts that you're having trouble getting penetration
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in and we are going to take
a lot of the load. And we
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was completely opportunistic. We got,
I think it's three accounts from each Paris,
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five accounts from each of the rest
that we had about twenty five account
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coming in and we said, okay, we've got these accounts and what we're
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going to do is we're going to
deploy a couple of tactics. We're going
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to do account profile, we're going
to do account profiling, contact acquisition,
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build that up and then we're going
to see what we can do to get
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appointment set. Everything is done manual. It's manually track. We're having weekly
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calls with the sellers saying, okay, this is what we're doing. Here's
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the depth of account information where you
don't have a ton of money for awareness,
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but we're doing a little bit for
these twenty five accounts. Anytime we
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see any one of these accounts or
they're co located near any of our events,
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go and buy some two events.
We're going to work on doing the
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appointment setting for you. What can
we do to get from pnetration? And
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really what we were looking for is
a couple of quick way. We needed
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a couple of fellars to be really
excited about the program. In addition to
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all of that, we also said, with these accounts, can we build
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you? Is there crustom messaging we
can build you? Can we give you
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custom email, a templed anyone shooters, any bit of content that is a
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little more, that is more relevant
and more personalized to these account so you're
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not getting the same sort of broad
marketing messaging. We're going to teet this
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just for these accounts. I love
how you mentioned did you say you guys
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were having weekly calls with the reps, not just your salespeepy. I love
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that. I love that. And
the other thing I think sales probably really
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had to appreciate is I feel like
a lot of sellers out there feel like
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it's kind of their job to take
the marketing, the generalized marketing speak,
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as you mentioned, and turn it
into sales speak. You know, they
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have something that kind of speaks to
this industry, but then they're the ones
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having the conversation. Hey, Mr
Customer, I know about this this account,
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and take that general marketing message and
really apply it. So the fact
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that you were coming to them and
saying, Hey, can we do this
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for you? I bet the response
was pretty good. Right. Oh,
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they were so excited and it was. The marketing is listening, marketing is
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legit really trying to help us and
having these weekly calls and if they're not
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in saily, long weekly called,
the sellers don't want on family long weeks
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ago. Right, it is okay, this is what's going on. What
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do you have? Okay, there
were twenty five account we had appointment set
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with, you know, three the
account how did it go? What was
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good? What was bod a?
Getting this sort of real sign of feedback
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and what we were doing when it
was really good, course correct, and
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then psych okay, we need a
couple of quick when that we need to
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create a couple of opportunities and accounts
that just haven't been even if you haven't
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been able to crash. And once
we got I think we probably ended up
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with five or six opportunities. So
not a huge, huge volume. What,
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if you think about what is that
like? Twenty percent. We created
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about twenty percent opportunity and it counts. We were never really able to track
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and what we needed was a couple
of success stories. We needed sales to
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be excited so that we can go
back and say these sellers are influential in
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the sales organization. Now they're going
to tell other sellers, and other sellers
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were coming to to us saying,
Hey, I've got a few accounts.
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Can I get these accounts on this
list? And then by the time we
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started doing planning for next year and
we talked to the global vp of tails,
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we could sit down with him and
say so, this is what we're
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thinking. He's like, I keep
hearing about this ABM program you guys,
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what are you doing? And it
wasn't US trying to sell and pitch him
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these guys and because they actually happen
to all the guys. These guys were
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telling him about this and telling him
about babym program and then we have these
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win reports and we get a win
report that references is a program. We're
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starting to get this like natural excitement
and saying, okay, this seems like
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it could have legs. Let's actually
do this the right way and let's actually
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try this and not get the scales
rep you know, and whatever random place
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and whatever random industry that we just
happen to have a good relationship, let's
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do this for right way. Yeah, I love that. So it didn't
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start with the global, global ahead
of sales. Hey, sit down for
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this thirty minute slide deck. We're
going to learn you something. We're going
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to teach you about this new thing
called ABM and tell you why it's so
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great and why we need your buy
and you. You did the selling internally,
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with this proof of concept, with
and worked closely not only with sales
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let's get back to this interview.
One of the things I wanted to have
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you touch on, Lauren, is
and will link to your prior presentation on
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this in the show notes, but
if you could touch a little bit on
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the specifics that you guys built in
your measurement model for ABM, because I
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think there are some great lessons learned
there and some things that that marketers can
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start to think about as they try
to formalize their own ABM program sure.
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So we started to build a measurement
model. A couple of things that are
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really important to note. With ABM
you have to measure at the account level.
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I know for a lot of tracking
and fold for it, it's going
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to be on the opportunity and it's
the opportunity is going to have contacts associated
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with the opportunity and you're going to
say, and I mean I see this
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all the time, I have this
opportunity to million dollar opportunity and they rest
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hoods, you know, the CIO
and the I don't know, bp I
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tape as the contact associated with that
opportunity. But for a million dollars deal
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there's actually, you know, twenty
contacts on the account. They put who
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up right. The problem with that
is you may have done all of this
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abm work and it might not have
hyp the CIO for some reason. So
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now you're not going to get credit
to if you're not looking on I hate
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the word credits, but for me
to know what's working with not working and
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something yeah, right about credit.
If you want this, if you want
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things that work to keep working,
you need to know work, where everything
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is. So we had to push
everyone to say I need to tract this
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at the account level. I don't
want to track this at the contact level
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because it's not about the contact,
it's about the entire account. So we
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have these once we actually did our
first sort of small pilot is about a
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hundred and fifty account and I wanted
to look at everything against those accounts,
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do not against specific names for specific
opportunities. What's happening with these busnesses.
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So what we'd end up doing on
an account level is first thing I want
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to do. If you start to
look at trip quick wins to long term.
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The thing with Abima, with enterprise, and with enterprise for the most
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part, of my generalization and your
prying deals, which is typically what you're
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going to front, and ABM probably
with take a long time. It is
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not. I profiled an account,
I do rove awareness, I set up
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an appointment and they spent a million
dollars in a month and it's going to
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be twelve months, eighteen months if
you're lucky, six to nine months.
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You're running a program and you're kicking
office in your program. You're like,
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don't worry, boss, in eighteen
months I'm going to tell you if this
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work, but just keep giving me
money and I'm going to spend a ton
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of time and in a year and
a half I'll let you know know what
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is going to do that. I
don't care how much you like ABM,
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you're not going to waiting your an
APP. So we looked at what are
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the other things that we can do
and what are the what's the measurement model
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we're going to look at? So
we sort of looked at these quick,
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quick when, short term measurements,
mid term measurements, long term measurements.
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So initially, again at the account
level, we looked at is there an
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increase in awareness? And how we
measured that was what is the presented to
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increase in website traffic from target account. So if you have demand based on
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your website, for example, they
can tell you if my target account out
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is. Let's take what's biggest,
one of the biggest companies in the world.
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an Abim program with retargeting g.
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You can look at how much website
traffic there is from gef they you start
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the program. Is there an increase
and the website is a really good talk
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say for awareness with in that company. And we started to look at well,
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how many new contacts are we adding? And to the metrics for that
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it was the number of new contacts
added, also the number of kind of
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engagements in leads. They're not just
new contracts, but are they downloading information,
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are they turning into lead? So
that's our short term nuts, are
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leading indicators. The next thing that
we looked at was how engaged are these
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contacts and league and what is the
pipeline that's starting to come through? So
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we looked at, well, how
many sales appointment have we set? So
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we actually use it an external agency
to help us do some appointment setting.
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And you know we have our internal
HEBR team that's going and doing sort of
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outsource cold calling into a town,
but they also the sellers have an entire
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book of business. That's not just
what we're doing. So we actually,
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in addition to driving awareness, we'd
help do appointment setting. So we look
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at how many appointments are set and
then what is the pipeline source and influence?
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So we have an account. Will
use G is, example. G
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is not part of this program,
but trading go on with it. It's
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fine with you. I'm like,
who am I not going to get in
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trouble for right, right, I
get here. The wheel stirring. Sure.
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So, you know we have G
and we've increase the number of contacts.
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There's, you know, ten new
appointments. An opportunity, kind of
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new opportunity, comes in that has, you know, the million dollars of
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pipelines sitting on it. So with
the pipeline source by ATM? Or did
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ABM touch this at all? So
we have that as oft a mid term
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mature which, honestly, you should
start seeing that stuff taking in three to
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six months. Not going to be
a closed deal, but after the after
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six months, if you have no
appointment that for your target account, there's
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a problem. And then, finally, we wanted to say this is all
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great. It's six months, it's
a year. Are we winning or losing?
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which is you know, what is
your airur source in Qrush? And
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then what's your funnel velocity? I
love looking at velocity metrics to understand the
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sectiveness of enterprise marketing program absolutely so
it is. The average sale cycle is
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nine months. If it was an
ABM account, it happened in seven months.
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So is my sales cycle faster?
I also really like looking at at
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win rate. So is my sale
cycle faster and has my win rate improved?
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If my average win rate is thirty
percent and my e the Win Right
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for my abm account is for new
percent, that helps me know, okay,
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the marketing we're doing is working because
we are not just touching more revenue,
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we are also getting that revenue in
the door fast and it's closing at
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a higher rate. So that's how
we look at it. You know,
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weavy robust measurement model and you can
use there's great tools that will help you
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measure when you're just getting started.
For us it was box notes and excel
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spreadsheets and yeah, you can get
away with box notes and excels, excel
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spreadsheets, honestly, for your first
year. I like what you said.
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They're about tracking the long term that
you're getting there. But it's a stair
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step model, those quick wins,
the mid term goals and then those long
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term goals. But not just looking
at, okay, how many deals out
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of our ABM campaigns we close,
because that is a very narrow view of
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it. What is our win rate
and are we closing deals faster? Because,
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you know, having led sales teams
in the past, those are two
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things I'm consistently looking at is you
know your win rate and your sales velocity,
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so I think it's very smart to
build those into your measurements of your
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