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Yeah,
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welcome back to be to be growth. I'm
dan Sanchez with sweet fish Media and
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today I'm talking about how to kick
start your path to becoming a thought
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leader. And we've already talked about
many episodes that one you should never
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call yourself a thought leader, but to
it's worth trying to become one because
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really a thought leader is someone who
is an expert, contributing original
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ideas that has authority in order to
advance and industry in order to help a
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group of people, which is a good thing
to do. Now. Of course there is a lot of
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credibility that's built with this and
therefore is very, I don't know,
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profitable, right? So a lot of people
try to kind of misuse and manipulate
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this, practice this process in order to
scam people and that's not what we want.
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We don't want to presume anything, so
we'll never call ourselves thought
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Leader. So if you never call yourself a
thought leader this, you won't have a
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problem with that because you're not
going to try to use and abuse it.
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You're never going to call yourself an
expert a thought leader and authority.
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You're just going to put out helpful
ideas that help people. But after
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reading multiple books on this topic, I
found that no one really had a great
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game plan for how to become a thought
leader, especially actually there are a
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lot of books and they're great. I will
say there's lots of books that will
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walk you through this. But I found that
there was not a lot aimed at somebody
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who was kind of starting not from the
bottom, but from just kind of like the
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baseline of being a professional in the
topic, which is where I found myself
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starting, right? It's probably where
you're starting. If you're listening to
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this now, you're probably not a thought
leader yet, but you want to be, you
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know, you have some of the goods, you
know, you have the ambition to become
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one and I'm telling you right now, that
that is a good thing. Yes, that is not
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just pure selfish ambition to be a
genuine and authentic thought leader.
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You have to want to help people and
that's what we're here to do, and
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that's what I'm here to help you with
in that process, no matter what
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industry you're in, no matter what your
specialty is or what profession you're
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is, this will work in a lot of
different situations. It will certainly
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work for marketers and BTB settings and
it might help you as a marketer, help
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somebody else, Maybe a subject matter
expert, become a thought leader, even
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though technically right now they're
just a subject matter expert. They
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don't have quite the authority today. I
want to show you how to kick start it.
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Um, with something I'm calling the 30
30 30 plan. And again, this is
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hypothesis. Like many of the ideas I've
presented over the last month in this
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thought leadership series, um, is
something I've done myself. It's
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something I've worked on to some degree
with others. But this is just a
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hypothesis. By the time this is
actually proven and well known, it
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might be different, it might be passed
the time this idea is useful, but still
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I thought I'd throw it out here for
everybody to hear. And I think once you
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hear it, I've tested this on linkedin.
I've talked, I've talked to lots of
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people about it. It tends to hit home,
it tends to resonate, it feels right,
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but I don't have any empirical evidence,
but I wanted to tell you that to kind
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of like just be on the forefront. Like
I don't have like tons of research that
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validates that this is beyond, without
a shadow of a doubt the path to
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becoming a thought leader, but it's
working for me so far and I think it'll
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work for you too. Oh, and in addition
to this plan, I'm going to talk to you
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about how a podcast specifically,
especially a personal podcast can help
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accelerate this whole thing and
actually becomes like the tool that I
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think is probably the secret weapon of
thought leadership, my opinion. But
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First let's walk into the plan and then
as we go through each step of the plan,
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I'll tell you how I would accomplish
this with a podcast. So the plan, the
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30, 30 30 plan is 30 bucks, 30
interviews and 30 blog posts. This is
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what you need to do in order to kick
start your path to becoming a thought
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leader. Now, of course this isn't this
isn't going to like doing this plan
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isn't going to take you from a
professional in your industry to expert
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overnight. Like you can't just execute
the plan in 90 days and then bam you're
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gonna be rolling in authority. No, but
this is going to get you way beyond
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where you're probably at now and some
people, you know, some of you are
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further along than others in doing this.
But I've done this three times now or
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parts, I've done this fully twice in
parts of this a third time and I can
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tell you man, things start to really
change for me every single time I do
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this and once I just did it even
recently and it it started taking my my
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perception of others in a kind of a
direction that I wasn't even trying to
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go in, but because I was executing this
plan, people started perceiving me as
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an expert and I would say, just
starting to perceive me like I was
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starting to get into the crowd of like
people known for this topic and I'll
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talk more about that later. But let's
dive into the plan 1st 30 bucks. If you
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want to be a thought leader first, you
have to be an expert and you can't be
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an expert without knowing everything
that's been read on this next topic.
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Now, hopefully you're already a
professional, you're already well aware,
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you already have hands on experience
with this thing you've been doing it
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for, I don't know, at least five years,
like you, you went through college,
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you've been doing this for five years.
If you didn't go through college, then
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generally they kind of like, say, You
know, add another five years of
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experience to equal college or whatever.
But you've been doing this for a while.
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You've already read books generally and
broadly on this topic. But to read 30
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books is different to go into one
single niche and read just about every
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book written on the topic. Now, if
there's more than 30 books on the topic,
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then the niches too big go down lower.
Like actually specialize in something
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that has 30 books or less. I'd say
between 15 and 30 books should be about
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the mile marker. It's give and take
because sometimes it's hard to define
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the lines of where a topic starts and
stops, right? So I just say 30 books
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because you need to know what's been
said, You need to know about all the
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ideas that have come before you
otherwise, how do you know if you're
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contributing a unique idea, You don't,
if you haven't read all the books on
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the topic, you have no idea if your
idea is original. So starting with the
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30 books on the topic is the best way
to go. This also helps in a few other
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ways and that um if you listen to my
other podcasts about learning and the
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light, you can start going on social
media and sharing what you're reading,
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sharing your insights from it, sharing
your favorite passages from these books.
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Maybe doing a blog post with all the
like, like quotes from the books that
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you loved have all crossed all the
books and people will start to kind of
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understand like, hey, hey, you're into
that thing. Uh Susie keeps posting
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about these things. She keeps reading
book after book and she keeps posting
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some of the best insights I've seen,
right, great summaries of the books.
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She must be into this,
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right? You're sowing seeds to build
authority later. Just by reading and
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talking about the books on social media.
Now some of you are listening to me in
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like 30 books dan. I I hardly, I hardly
read five books throughout college.
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Like 30 books dan. That's a lot of
books. I'm not that big of a reader.
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Let me tell you, reading 30 books on
one topic isn't as hard as you would
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think. Here's why when you have a
really knits up niche subject, let's
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take let's give an example. I did the
first time I did this was for nonprofit
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marketing. I was working for a non
profit and I was trying to learn
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everything there ever had been written
on the topic of nonprofit market. This
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is how I started to find that this was
a thing that this actually worked to
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build credibility and get me into this
space. There was 16 books on this topic
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and I went and read them all and
honestly reading them all took way less
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time than I thought. I thought I was
going to be into the slog of reading 16
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books. It actually probably took the
amount of time of 15-6, sorry, it took
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even though was 16 books, it took about
The same amount of time to read six
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books.
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Because when you're reading all on one
topic, naturally, naturally, if it's
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that niche, they cover the same
information over and over and over
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again and that's okay. This is
something PhD students have to learn to
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do is that they start reading a lot of
books. And then once they're, once
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they've picked their topic to write
their dissertation on and do the
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research on. They've read all the books.
So you have to learn how to fly through
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books faster by only looking and
scanning for new information. Once
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you're on book two or three, like you
start to find that there's just some
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repetitive information. You know, how
many times I had to read about like
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social media marketing and the
nonprofit space. And it just walked
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through the basics of setting up your
account and thinking about who you're
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targeting and writing your first post.
You know, many books covered that. I
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didn't have to read that again. I just
kind of glanced at the page, knew what
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the content wasn't skipped. So I'm
flipping towards the end, you're hardly
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reading every word. You're just
scanning each page and here I am,
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flipping through each and every single
page and scanning for new information.
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So you don't have to read every word of
every book to have read every book on
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the topic because you have read at all,
you're just not going to reread the
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same thing, but in different words. And
that's kind of a shortcut that people
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don't really know about because most
people don't think to read every book
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on a single topic, it's easier than you
think just do it once you do it. The
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benefits of it our way are huge one.
You just gain a sense of confidence
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knowing you've read every book on the
topic. It allows you to speak with a
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little bit more authority when you say
like, hey, my favorite thing about this
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or one thing I disagree with or like
when you just writing about it and
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talking to people about it, you kind of
know a lot more because you've, you
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know, confidently that you've read
everything out there From the main
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books. Everybody talks about all the
way down to the obscure kindle books
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that has five reviews. Yeah, I read
those two again. Just pick a niche
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topic that has no more than 30 books on
it. And your your father far enough
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down you might also add to that is
extra credit research that's been done,
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top ranking blog posts, Listen to the
top podcasts in the industry. So it's
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like, it doesn't have to end with books.
Obviously you can do a lot more highly
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recommend going to go into google
scholar and putting in your topic and
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looking for, you know, like a dozen
different research reports. Those are
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really good to know if you want to be
an expert on the topic and you have to
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know everything that's been before. Go
and look at those things too. Now, what
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would be helpful with a podcast is just
recording what we are reading and then
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sharing your insights about the book.
There's whole podcast just around book
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reviews and they're great podcast
because you can learn a lot about from
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a book without having to read the whole
book in about a 30 minute or 10 to 30
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minute podcast episode. You can do that.
And the reason why I would recommend it
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is because it forces you to kind of
think through what you've read, what
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you liked about the book, what you
didn't like about the book, kind of
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take some of your things you underlined
in it and share it with an audience. It
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just forces you to kind of chew on it a
little bit more and you get to make
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content with it in the process. If
you've listened to me, you know, I've
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reviewed multiple books on this podcast
um in this series and in the past a. B.
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M. Series that I've done. Um and it
creates its great content because
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people want to know about great books.
So I'm highlighting some of the best
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books I've read on topics here on this
podcast. So it's good content and it
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starts by recording and sharing that
content again kind of like posting to
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social media. It starts to build your
authority on the topic after you do
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book after book after book. Now I don't
recommend doing this with all 30 books
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because some of the books are gonna be
crap, let's be honest. But maybe the
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top five books record a podcast episode
on those. The second part is the 30
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interviews. So part of the 30-30 plan
is to interview 30 experts in the field.
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Once you've read 30 books it's starting
to become clear who those people are
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because some of them are the authors.
Some of the authors reference other
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experts in the field. So as you're
reading, you can start making a list of
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all the people you want to talk to.
This helps in multiple ways. One, once
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you've read all the content or have
read a lot of the content, not that you
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have to like finish one section before
you move on to the next. Being able to
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talk to the experts takes your
knowledge to the next level. Because
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you could start to test your
understanding, you could start to ask
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the questions that weren't clear in the
books. You could start to take some of
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your favorite ideas that you've read
about and ask the author about them and
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start digging deeper because believe me,
every time an author writes a book,
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they're leaving like they're due
slicing and dicing and leaving things
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off the table. There's more to
everything they've shared. There's more
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stories, there's more research, there's
more history behind every single idea
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they presented in the book and a
podcast. You can take some of your
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favorite things and pull them out of
the experts if their authors and then
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find the people that you want to learn
from that haven't written books, maybe
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they're just really active on social.
Maybe they've done a lot of research,
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maybe they're a professor at a
university, maybe they're a famous
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entrepreneur, a business person,
whatever that person is, you can go and
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learn from them first hand and
interview them. This does something
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else other than just learning from them
to increase what you know and
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understand and how you, in the grass
that you have on the subject matter,
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you build relationships if you want to
become a thought leader in a space, you
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can't just like launch onto the scene
without anybody knowing you. You have
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to build a network a little bit. And by
interviewing these experts,
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they start to get to know you. So when
they see you or hear about you later,
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they'll be like, oh yeah, I've met I've
met that person before. We did a
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podcast interview together. Huh? They
just published a book on it. Oh, I just
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saw their social media posts. Oh they
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this this thing, they're going to know
you and they can validate that. I don't
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know. It just it comes back around to
you and I can't say like all the ways
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that it will happen. There's not like a
distinct way this will happen, but by
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having all these people know you and
your spending time with them. So
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there's a lot of them are going to
remember you. It helps you build
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authority later and of course by
interview them. Hopefully you're
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recording it and you can publish this
content later on to again, begin
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building some of your own authority,
not that you're putting out your own
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ideas yet, but by sharing all the
things that you're reading and all the
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people that you're talking to, people
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of into this thing and that you're
learning a lot and sharing really good
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ideas or others ideas at first, right
as you go, that you start to become a
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perceived expert because you're the one
hanging out with all the experts and
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just by hanging out with them and
posting the content that you've been
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talking to them about something starts
to happen. It's something James
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Carberry talks about in his book called
content based networking. It's called
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he calls it the Oprah effect. You start
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that thing just through association,
just by having your name next to their
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name and having conversations with them
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public space association starts to take
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expertise of all the people you're
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This is why we call it the Oprah effect
because Oprah does this better than
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anybody else, right? There's a reason
why Oprah is so beloved by everybody
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because she meets with some of all the
coolest people on the planet, right?
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Interviews them, gets into their raw,
vulnerable stories, uses empathy to
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like bring out the best, but she's
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over time over interview after
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taken association from lots of people.
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time and she's interviewed that many
people so that can happen to you,
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especially when you really focus it in
while she's really broad and it took
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her a long time to do that. If you
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narrow subject, that will happen with
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sharing it on social. Again, learning
in the light along the way. Now, of
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course, this is obviously where
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easy to jump on assume call push record
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bit riverside dot FM is probably a
little bit higher recording quality.
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The point is getting on recording and
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then just pushing that recording out
onto a podcast, you don't even have to
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be fancy about it, you can just publish
it free to anchor intro, you don't even
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have to have an intro and outro
necessarily. Um it's also a lot easier
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to get an audience with these experts
if you have a podcast and the podcast
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is named around their expertise that
usually the experts are some of the
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easiest people to get a hold of when it
comes to podcasting because they're
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trying to build a platform for
themselves to and by saying, hey could
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you come on my podcast, the likelihood
that they're going to say yes is really
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high um I know because we do this for
BTB growth all the time. Any time I
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want to meet with somebody, I'm like,
hey, you want to be a guest on GDP
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Growth? Really? It's not because it
mean usually it has to be something
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that you, the audience wants to hear.
But A lot of times it's just because I
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want to learn from that person. I'm
curious about what they have to say
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about a certain topic and I just want
an audience with them. So I invite them
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to be on a guest on B2B growth and you
can do this even with a small podcast.
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I've done it with the small personal
podcast before. They hardly ever asked
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like how many downloads it gets. Um but
they're really popular. They might ask
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you how many downloads it gets, but
generally most people never even ask
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most people say yes.
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And the 3rd part to the 30 30 30 plan
is 30 blog posts. There's something
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about writing about a topic that just
forces you to think, right, This is why
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colleges and schools have you right?
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It's not because they want to read your
papers. I know I've I've done a few,
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I've taught a few college classes and
if there's anything worse than writing
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college papers, oh my goodness, it's
reading them, they're just horrible.
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Still the process is a helpful exercise
if you've written than, you know, right?
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Like writing about what you're learning,
just forces you to think about the
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material as you learn how to
communicate it to others. Um There's
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another benefit when it comes to
writing blog posts and that you get to
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learn what people are actually asking
about. I would specifically write blog
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posts, not to just put them out there
on social, but to write to rank on
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google. So that when you're doing
keyword research, which is I'm writing
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ranking on google's can be a
sophisticated topic but I honestly just,
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I can't even have time to cover this
now. Just google the word alphabet soup
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and then an article will explain how to
find the key words out of google search
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index itself um or Youtube video or
something. But once you find the
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keywords that people are actually
asking around the topic, you can start
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to get an understanding of like what,
where the shortfalls are, like where
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people are confused about said topic
because believe me, a lot of the
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experts write about things in academic
journals and then just trade
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publications about things that other
experts are asking about. They're not
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asking about what people are asking
about or what your prospects are asking
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about or what the people you want to
become perceived as an expert in on
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this topic, what questions they're
asking about. So go to google, find out
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what people are actually google
searching for and write those blog
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posts, become an expert in the topic
and the questions people are asking all
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the time. It's a good place to start
because generally the things that are
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the most googled are the things that
beginners asking. That's where we all
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go. When we have a question about a new
topic, we go straight to google.
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expert and the things that they're
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asking about And by the time you've
read 30 books and you've talked to 30
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different experts on it, chances are
you can write those blog posts with
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ease. they're not easy to write, but
they're not that difficult either. Um
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The trick to writing for google to is
writing easy to consume yet exhaustive
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blog posts. Not long winded, it's not
about word count necessarily, but you
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want to write in depth content. So
usually it's going to be about a
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1,202,000 word article to answer the
topic and you're aiming to make the
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most useful blog post on every single
question to rank for number one. That's
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the kind of blog post you want to write,
you want to write the blog post that
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it's going to be the most helpful.
Don't worry about back links, don't
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worry about all the technical stuff.
Just write the article that you think
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is way more Helpful than the top three
ranking articles and you're well on
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your way.
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So That has a few benefits, right? one.
It forces you to think to your learning
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what people are asking about, getting a
feel for the topic and what the
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beginners are asking. And then three
again you're creating content to begin
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publishing, to search, publishing to
social, and you're starting to build
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authority because now you're not just
talking about what you're learning from
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others now, you're starting to put out
your own stuff. And um honestly, in
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some of these blog posts, you might add
some of your own two cents, right? And
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you should by now you've wrestled with
the material, you've had conversations
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about it. You're starting to think as
you right, and you're probably coming
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to some of your own conclusions. Again,
hopefully you're a professional in the
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field already, and you're starting to
put some of these ideas to use in the
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workplace. As you're going through this
process, you're actually getting your
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hands dirty and testing it and playing
with it as you're getting all these
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learnings from these books and these
experts, and as you write about it,
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you're testing it out and you're going
to share some of those tests and some
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of those experiments you've done in
your day job in the blog post to make
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it more personal, making it more
personable. But also just start sharing
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like, hey, I'm wrestling with us. I
tried this and this expert recommended
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this. So I did this and this happened,
that starts to build authority again. A
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podcast can make this easier. If you
hate writing, you can actually shortcut
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the process through a podcast. You
still have to do the keyword research.
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You still have to outline the blog post.
But instead of writing it yourself,
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what you can do is jump on a podcast.
Kind of like I am now, in fact, I'm
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going to do this with this, this very
topic. This very episode is that I'm
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talking about it and now I can take
this episode and hand it over to a
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writer that knows how to write blog
posts and they can write it for me. I'm
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still, I'm still forced with having to
come up with the content. But if you're
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great at speaking and not at writing, I
like doing both. I like writing my own
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blog post, but there's many blog posts
that I just didn't have enough time to
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write. So I handed it off to a writer
after recording a blog posts like this
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one and then they can write it. Then
that blog post can rank and you can
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start to build authority because you're
the one showing up on google when
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people are asking the questions. And
that way you get two pieces of content
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with it, right? You get the audio and
the written one. So that's where a
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podcast can really help you kind of
again speed up the process and build
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authority in multiple places. So that
is the 30 30 30 plan. Again, I've tried
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this three different times, one with
nonprofit marketing and I really
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started to build up credibility there.
It started picking up momentum much
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faster than I thought. I probably spent
three months on this and I launched a
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podcast. Um I started posting on social
and I uh I read all the books in a
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short amount of time and started
interviewing experts on the topic and I
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remember just feeling the momentum
going up and people kept showing up
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being like, wow dan. I mean I knew you
were a nonprofit marketer but I didn't
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know like I didn't know like you were
this deep into it, what they were
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trying to communicate to me over and
over again. It's like wow dan. Like I'm
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perceiving you to be a bigger expert in
this than I thought as people would
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begin messaging me about it podcast
like experts that I was just asking
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questions to wood. Like after the
interview would be like, wow dan. I
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didn't know you were like, I didn't
realize how good you were at this,
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which is funny because I was only
asking them questions and they were the
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one talking, they were the experts and
they were perceiving me to be the
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expert. That's just what starts to
happen. Especially when you start to do
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all these things together because
you're, you're dropping books, you're
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like, oh I like that idea. Remember
this other author talked about that
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when you're starting to drop references
like that because you've been reading
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and researching everything, you start
to sound knowledgeable and it's because
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you are and it's not that hard to go
through this process. You can get this
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done. Yeah, I mean you can you can do
it as faster, as short as you can just
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depends on how much time and effort you
put into it. You can knock the 30 books
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out in about 30-90 days. You can knock
the 30 interviews out in one month. I'm
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doing it right now. Um it's a lot of
work. Um You can do 30 blog post,
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probably takes the longest, but it's
possible to get it done in two months
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depending on how fast you write or how
fast you can outsource it. So I've done
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this again, I get it with nonprofit
marketing and I wrote I did the 30
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books, I did the 30 interviews and I
did the 30 blog posts. And it started
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to take off really fast and I did it in
a short amount of time, probably like
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all of it together, probably four
months. Um I did it again with account
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based marketing not long ago and I only
did part of it. I read there was only
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12, 13 books on the topic. So I read
all of those over the course of the
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month and I did 30 interviews over the
course of the month of this last
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february and I didn't write any blog
posts on the topic. But already I was
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talking I was posting about it on
linkedin as I was reading books, doing
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podcasts on the books, doing podcast
with lots of experts. A lot of the
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biggest names in the topic on a. B. M.
And I didn't have a lot of experience.
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In fact the whole premise I had for
that that deep dive was that I know I
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don't know anything about this. I've
only read a book on it. I'm still new
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to B two B marketing. I don't know
what's going on. Please tell me what
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this means. But as I started posting it
on linkedin, people are like started
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associating me with this topic. Again,
the power of association happened. The
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influence and confidence that I had
from reading all the books in a short
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time period started to kick in in my
interviews and in the post that I was
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writing about account based marketing.
So people are reading, people are
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listening. People are hearing me
associate with the names in the field.
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And naturally by the time the deep guy
was over, people were starting to tag
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me and things being like, oh listen to
these people on A B. M. And I was
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throwing showing up in those lists. I
was like oh my gosh, I wasn't even
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trying this time to like I didn't want
to be a perceived expert in a B. M. I'm
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still practicing it myself. I still
have a lot to learn. I didn't have a
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baseline knowledge in it per se because
I hadn't done a B. M. Before, but I was
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already starting to be perceived as an
influencer in this space, as a leader
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in this space And it wasn't my thing at
all. And now I've been kind of doing
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this with the topic of thought
leadership, not because I'm a thought
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leader on thought leadership. Um that's
kind of where I'm trying to headbutt
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again. I would never say it about
myself. I am still a student. I still
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have a ton to learn a whole reason why
did this 30 this deep dive right now is
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begin Again, doing everything I just
talked about in the 30, 30 30 plan. I
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was trying to eat my own dog food and
it's working like people I'm showing up.
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Unless people are starting to talk
about it. All I'm doing is showing up
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and trying to be the most helpful in a
topic that I think is important. That's
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it. So if this sounds interesting to
you, I highly recommend like start just
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search for the amazon books that you
think would be start making a list of
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all the books that you want to read by,
five of them. Start reading them. Talk
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to others about what this might look
like for you. Bring some of your
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counsel in and see if what topic this
might be that you could focus and
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specialize in. It is a great path. It's
been working well for me. I have a few
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others that I'm working on it with the
team on. And again, it's just a
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hypothesis. So I'm feeling it working
well for me, it's resonated with others.
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I talked to them about this plan, it
doesn't get you to expertise, but it is
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a fantastic way to accelerate that
process. So if you have any ideas about
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this or have any tweaks critiques about
this 30 30 30 plan um ideas or if this
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has inspired you, I'd love to hear
about it. Come find me on linkedin dot
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com slash science slash digital
marketing dan. I love connecting with
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anybody from BBB growth and talking
about how the podcast is. I don't know
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how how the podcast is sounding to you.
Is it helpful? Is it not helpful? Is
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there something you would add to this?
3030 pretty plan? I'd love to hear it
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because I'm still formulating this idea
and it's getting better and better with
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time and of course with your feedback.
So let me know
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one of the things we've learned about
podcast audience growth is that word of
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mouth works. It works really, really
well actually. So if you love this show,
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it would be awesome if you texted a
friend to tell them about it. And if
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you send me a text with a screenshot of
the text you sent to your friend meta,
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I know I'll send you a copy of my book,
content based networking, how to
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instantly connect with anyone you want
to know. My cell phone number is
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40749033 to 8. Happy next thing
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Yeah.